Host Peter Green is joined by Becky Willson from the Farm Carbon Toolkit and Cornish beef and mixed crop farmer Mike Roberts. They discuss how farmers in the south west can make their farms more climate resilient for the future.
Today on the show, we’re looking at climate resilience and how south west farmers can reduce overall farm emissions.
Host Peter Green is joined by Becky Willson from the Farm Carbon Toolkit and Mike Roberts, a third generation Cornish beef and mixed crop farmer.
Throughout this series we are focusing on the topic of resilience.
Farming Focus is the podcast for farmers in the South West of England, but is relevant for farmers outside of the region or indeed anyone in the wider industry or who has an interest in food and farming.
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Timestamps
00:01 Cornish Mutual jingle.
00:14 Peter Green comes in.
01:08 Becky Willson introduces herself and the Farm Carbon Tool Kit.
02:26 Mike Roberts introduces his farm.
03:38 What does resilience mean for Becky?
05:08 Resilience for Mike.
06:45 Mike has gradually reduced his fertiliser usage.
07:47 What is happening on farms when it comes to climate resilience?
10:08 Farmers need to provide that climate solution.
12:06 2040 aim from the NFU to achieve net zero.
14:32 What to say to farmers who say that there isn't any point...it can't be done? Why should we all care?
17:38 Becky takes us through some of the best practice that she has seen on different farms that listeners could try?
20:03 Cornish Mutual jingle
20:12 Farm Carbon Calculator - Peter has used this himself. Becky provides an insight into the calculator.
22:30 Showstoppers and key points to take away.
24:43 Peter rounds up (including cream teas)
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Peter Green
Hello and welcome to episode six of this first series of Farming Focus, the new podcast brought to you by Cornish Mutual. Throughout this series, we're encouraging farmers across Cornwall, Devon Somerset, endorse it to step back and ask themselves how resilient their businesses are, and to think about what we can all do.
To make them even more resilient. I'm your host, Peter Green, and having looked at resilience in the context of soil in episode one of this series. Today on the show, we're looking at wider climate resilience and how we as southwest farmers can reduce our overall emissions. To discuss this, I'm joined today by Becky Wilson from the Farm Carbon Toolkit and Mike Roberts, a third generation Cornish beef and mixed Crops farmer.
Becky, can you introduce yourself and tell us a bit about the, the Farm Carbon Toolkit please?
Becky Willson
Absolutely.
I've been working at the Farm Carbon Toolkit for 10 years in January, so I can't believe it. Sometimes I come from the other side of the team. I've actually, I may been Devon, have a little, uh, community farm where we have a few bits going on, but mainly in terms of what I do with, with Farm Carbon Toolkit, we are a, a sort of farmer led organization that was really set up to try and provide.
Practical tools and resources for farmers around reducing greenhouse gas emissions, improving energy resilience, improving business resilience, and a particular focus on soil health. And although it seems like carbon is something that everybody's talking about at the moment, we've been sort of talking about it since 2008.
So when nobody was really talking about it, I suppose we, our uniqueness in this space really is that we were set up by farmers. So it was set up by two farmers who felt that there was lots of information out there about. Why you should be doing stuff around climate, but nothing that tells you practically what you should be doing.
And we continue to keep that ethos in terms of, we have a board of directors here are all full-time farmers, and then an ever-growing team of us here out empowering and supporting farmers to understand what this means for them and what they can do practically about it.
Peter Green
Very good. Uh, and Mike, I introduce you as a, a Cornish beef and mixed crop farmer, but could you give our listeners a bit more info, info, uh, information about your farm, please?
Mike Roberts
Right?
Yeah. We're, um, suckler herd, we just, just got suckers. We, you know, we, we used to be mixed pharma, like everybody go back. I. 30, 40 years, but we streamline it down to make it easy and, and less costly with machinery and, and bits and give yourself a bit more time. But yeah, so we're just settlers. We, uh, rear the calves through to finishing or stores depending how the years gore and they're stabilizers.
Mike. They are stabilizer across cows. Uh, we got a few pedigree stabilizers, but in the, I think it's three, just over three years ago now, we went down the road of um, paddock grazing. His son Sam, was quite keen to get some electric fences on the, on the farm and, um, start making better use of our, uh, our grazing.
It's been absolutely fantastic. Really, it's, it's revived a new interest in farming actually. 'cause uh, farming's never very easy when you've just got bills to pay, has it? And, uh, and that seemed to be what it was at the time. But, um, but once you sort of cut out those bills and, um, it makes life a bit easier really.
Peter Green
So those pressures which you are facing are actually pressures which are faced by farmers around the world, and I think that's quite interesting. Um, thinking about pressures, Becky, I'm gonna ask you now, this series is about resilience. Um, but, but what does resilience mean for you?
Becky Willson
It's a concept that we're hearing more and more about as we move forward, and for me it's really about.
The ability of an individual or a business to, to withstand challenges and to have that sort of elasticity in it. So the ability to bounce back, and again, that may be whether we are talking about climatic challenges. It might be in terms of those financial challenges about increasing volatility around input prices, around the challenges with removal of B P S.
It might be about. Personal challenges about actually how much of our time do we spend on farm, doing what we've always done, and whether we have the ability to stand back and think about are there different ways of doing this? Resilience is really about that ability to be elastic and that ability for your farm, for yourself, for your business, to be able to withstand these challenges and, and to come back stronger.
And it's really interesting when we think about it from a, as I say, from where we are coming from, from a, from a climate resilience, but actually. By thinking about resilience, you actually start to have a whole range of those conversations that start to encompass every single aspect of your business from how much of the day you want to be spent sat on a tractor or moving stock through to actually, what's the forage value of that?
So can we reduce the cost associated with it to actually, what are those plants doing in terms of putting those roots down, which allows those plants to carry on for longer when we have those periods of dry.
Peter Green
Mike, same question for you. What does resilience mean for you?
Mike Roberts
Resilience for us on the farm here, ATLA, it's turned around quite a lot in the last three years, you know, since we've gone down the paddock.
And the paddock is probably the, where you've gotta start to with, with us to, to start building resilience and, and getting those mixed crops in, you know, diversity in the crops, the deeper rooted species. But it, but for us now, resilience is, is about trying to build our soil and learning more. Yeah, we, we, we all need to learn and lot more about the biology.
Uh, yeah. I've, I've sort of given up on chemicals. I need to learn a lot more about the biology in the soil.
Peter Green
Yeah. And I think it's really interesting there that you talk about sort of the change of focus that you've gone through. 'cause I think a lot of farmers listening to this, um, especially in the Southwest, you know, on similar types of operation to you.
Will be thinking the same thing, you know, that their focus has changed over the last few years, but that takes us quite nicely onto climate and climate resilience. You know, I, I wanted to try and capture the still climate context that farmers and growers are operating in today, succinctly, but, um, that's, that's easier said than done.
So, Becky, I'm sure you can come in and help me, but in short, um, as we're all aware, the Earth's getting warmer, you know, it's, It's largely due to the effect of increased amounts of greenhouse gases like carbon dioxide and methane, which have got carbon in them. Um, and, and this is obviously known as as the greenhouse effect because some of the sun's radiation, which would be escaping is, is reflected back inside the Earth's atmosphere.
Taking that, um, as Red Mike. How resilient do you think your farm is in terms of future climate? Sort of bearing that in mind. Um, and what are you planning to do to, to make the farm more resilient? As we experience more climate change,
Mike Roberts
We haven't used fertilizer now for this year at all. We used eight bags we had leftover last year, so we, we've gradually decreased our fertilizer usage from about three and a half arctic loads a year to, to basically nothing.
You know, we, we do reduce their cattle numbers there. There's a. There's a guy on a podcast once or a, or a something I was listening to and he said there, he said, you can have, um, you can't have too much grass on the farm. He said, you can't have too much money on the farm, but you can have too many cattle.
We all think we're gonna have more animals to increase our turnover, to increase our profit. It does increase our turnover possibly, but, but it doesn't actually increase your bottom. Line
Peter Green
or your, your profit. Yeah. It might increase your turnover, but that middle bit is, it may also increase your cost, isn't it?
Mike Roberts
That's right. We aren't plowing anymore. We aren't disturbing the soil as much as we would've done. We, we bought ourselves a set of discs this year, so we're just going two or three inches deep and scratch. And also we got a, a direct drill on the, on the grant scheme last year.
Peter Green
Um, so Becky, we've heard there about some of the changes that Mike's put in place thinking particularly about climate resilience.
Can you give us a bit of a, sort of more of a technical view of, of what's actually happening there and why it's so good for the climate?
Becky Willson
Absolutely. So I think if we think about what's happening and our ability on farms to both reduce emissions and then also capture more carbon, because that's the uniqueness of what's happening on farms.
So if you think about our climate, our climate targets, if you think about our need to. Reduce the amount of greenhouse gases that are, are going into the atmosphere. Farming as a sector needs to play its role as well. And we'll know that we have our net zero targets. All of those things that are coming onto the farm, be it fertilizer, be it sprays, all those things have an associated carbon footprint with them.
So when you bring them onto the farm, you are bringing on that carbon footprint. But then also when you are using them in terms of that application, you are obviously using diesel and, and all the rest of it to do that. So all of the things that we use on the farm all generate emissions. So the more we can do to reduce our usage of that, the better.
And at the same time, that's also beneficial for our pocket, because actually that's a reduction in cost. But at the same time, how we manage our land in terms of our asset, how we protect our soils, how we use our. What we do with our, our tools, so our cattle, our cropping, our tillage, all those sorts of things to try and build up.
What's happening within our soil is also sequestering carbon because each of those little plants that are growing, be it in a field of wheat. In a field of grass, those leaves that are out there are those solar panels, and what that's doing is it's capturing sunlight through that photosynthesis process and some of that sunlight energy is going down through the roots and into our soils, and that is where.
We are able to provide that uniqueness in terms of that climate solution. So as well as generating emissions. And obviously for agriculture it's complicated 'cause we're not just generating carbon dioxide or fossil fuels like other sectors are. We're also generating nitrous oxide and methane. But we are the only industry that is able to deliver that solution through how we manage our land.
And we probably hear lots about how we can plant trees and we can manage our woody biomass through hedgerows, but actually what can we do in the field? And that's where. The real magic is happening, and if we think about some of the brilliant things that Mike is doing, We're able to capture that as part of, because he is involved with the Farm Net Zero as a demonstration farm, we're able to do a lot of measurements and understand what's happening as well as on the wider network of Monitor Farms.
We're able to sort of really provide that data and that evidence around actually the potential that as farmers, we have to provide that climate solution. And the really brilliant thing, as I've already said, is not only does that system lower our costs, because actually you know, we are not bringing in all of those inputs.
It also often. It gives us a better quality of life because again, we've got time to start to think those sort of things, but also it builds soil health and resilience. And again, if we come back to that idea of resilience by building our soil health, our fields are then able to withstand those climatic issues.
They're able to do what we want to do in terms of supporting those massively diverse biological communities that live under our soils that we only know a small amount about. We're only just starting to peel back the surface. Of actually the potential of our soils. And the really good news is, is that we're the ones that can do this.
And again, you know, when we think about climate, it's often a really negative story. But how we manage our land is a key part of actually how we can solve this problem. And I suppose the, the key things to think about is around diversity.
Peter Green
I've got so many questions to go to to go to Becky. I'm not sure where to go first.
You spoke there briefly about the, the, the UK's net zero target, and that's, that's something that the N F U has has set. Um, what, what does it mean and is that really achievable?
Becky Willson
So if we think about, as I say, those net zero ambitions and, and the net bit is really important there, because if we were to go out tomorrow and get rid of all agricultural activity of our landscapes, our landscapes would still be producing carbon dioxide and nitrous oxide because that's as part and methane to a certain extent.
It's part of those natural carbon and nitrogen cycles. So within agriculture, We are never, despite every technological advantage we might have, we are never gonna totally eliminate greenhouse gas emissions with agriculture. But as I've already said, we have that ability to provide that solution. So when we think about that net zero ambition, the aim therefore is to reduce our emissions as much as possible, and then also maximize the opportunities to take carbon outta the atmosphere so that the overall position for the industry.
By 2040, according to the N F U is one of net zero. So it's our balance. So any emissions that we are generating, we are then balancing out by the amount of carbon that we are taking outta the atmosphere. In terms of whether it's achievable, it's, it really depends. There's two key points of this. Number one is how do you measure it?
Because a lot of the work that's been done in terms of the early sort of looking at this, Sequestration or the ability to take carbon outta the atmosphere has been seen completely separately to emissions reduction. So like I say, we are never going to totally eliminate red, eliminate greenhouse gas emissions from agriculture because it's this living biological system.
Okay, so we're not gonna get to zero emissions. The ability for individual farms to get to net zero is also variable. So for a lot of our farming systems that we have down here in the southwest, absolutely. Where we've got grassland, we've got a mixed farming system. These are often some of the farms which are have the most potential to get to net zero.
Yeah. The ones where it potentially might be slightly more challenging are the systems. And they tend to often be the sort of more monogastric systems, which are inherently reliant on a lot of things which are coming from fossil fuels.
Peter Green
So Monogastric, we're thinking pigs,
Wery, poultry. Sorry. Pig and pig.
Becky Willson
Absolutely. Yeah. Yep. So again, if you've got intensive indoor pig and poultry systems, which are reliant on. A lot of, you know, feed that's coming in from places where there might be deforestation and all those sorts of things, you are relying on a lot of fossil fuels because we've got to, uh, heat those buildings, we've got to do all those other sorts of things, and that they potentially don't have a lot of land assets to be able to offset some of those emissions.
I would be much happier. Getting a, you know, when we do a lot of this modeling work that we do through Farm Net Zero and the wider work that we do at Farm Carbon Toolkit is much easier for us to get a mix or, or a, or a Grazing Livestock farm to net zero than it is for some of these other systems, which sometimes might be a bit different to what you might have heard out there in the press in terms of where these things are.
But actually, you know, although it's more complicated, the ability to get there. Potentially if we start to use our grasslands, if we start to maximize the potential of our soil, is there.
Yep.
Peter Green
Yep. And, and I guess it's, it. No, it is really important to say we're not vilifying, um, pig and poultry producers.
There's no, absolutely not. There's some fantastic ones, particularly down here in the southwest. But um, it's just absolutely trickier because of the way that those businesses, those operations are run. Thank you for that. Becky. Mike, like me, you'll probably know a lot of people in the industry who of of this net zero target might say, oh, can't be done or not our problem.
You know, look at the airplanes in the sky, look at the trucks on the road. I e look at the rest of the supply chain around agriculture as well as what's going on in the, in the wider world. What would you say to them, you know, why should we really consider what they can do to improve the performance of, of their business with respect to carbon?
Mike Roberts
We've improved our business just basically by the basics is through paddocks and herbal lay and, and, uh, uh, tighter rotation. We're still monoculture farming. We're just beef, but we're still monoculture farmings. Yeah, that, that's probably, that's probably the, the basics of it really is just to get on and do that, to start with.
Peter Green
So in terms of persuading people that are maybe a little bit skeptical, it's, you know, don't be afraid of taking that first step. It doesn't need to be a complete sea change of your whole business. It can be quite a relatively small, straightforward change. Is that right? It,
Mike Roberts
we've done 25 acres in seeded, uh, herbal lays in 2019.
And in 2020 we paddock, we, we split them up into nine paddocks and within six weeks we thought, Okay, we don't need by, we don't need to use fertilizer on these fields. And just by that, that was a fifth of the farm. So if you take a fifth of your farm and just, you know, put it in herbal lays and perhaps paddock and just see how the cattle manage them and how you can manage 'em and how much easier it is.
And I know a lot of people say, well we can't, you know, you're, we're lucky. We gotta dry farm here. You can keep cattle out all winter. 'cause this is what we're, this is what we're doing at the moment. We're keeping our sucker cows out through the winter on bale grazing in real small paddocks, back fenced.
Yeah, on day shifts, so they're, they, they don't make a mess. They, you know, we've had 'em all in grass fields and we've cut hay in, in, in the, in the summer after them. Yeah. This year we'll be keeping about 150 out, uh, cattle, our cows out in calve, cows out this winter. And we're hoping to keep our, uh, wean calves out as well.
So that'll be Oh, right. We've, we've, we've brought our numbers back a little bit up, increased them again a little bit. We have our account numbers, hopefully, but we've got about a hundred and. 25, 30 cars will
be keeping it.
Peter Green
Can I ask you about energy use? But it sounds like diesel use is probably down. It sounds like your time spent on the tractor is, is down, although you probably have a, a little bit more labor to, to, to move stock, but you are using less fertilizer.
So all Becky talked earlier about the carbon footprint that's associated with, with all of these things. So your energy use. Is down overall from the sound of it. Is that fair?
Mike Roberts
It is, yeah. Our energy use would be down. You, uh, another green waste. We gotta bring that back. We get, we get, um, we get contractors to bring that back.
So there's, there's a carbon cost there. That compost is, is, is real high in, in, um, PS and Ks and, and quite high in nitrogen. So it's, um, it's more of a useful product than what the straw bedding is. But the other thing is you buy, buy these paddocks. We, um, we haven't bought a wormer, we haven't wormed our cattle for three years.
So it's just, um, it's just, it's just those knock on, knock on effects that actually, okay. That's, that's saving money. Okay. I'll save money and.
Peter Green
Becky, can you just take us through some of the best practice that you've seen? We've heard from Mike there about the way that he manages grazing, so moving more towards a paddock system.
Um, what other things have you seen on different farms that, that our listeners could maybe think about trying?
Becky Willson
Absolutely. Um, so there's lots of different things depending on, depending on your sort of system, and I think we've spoken a lot about the grassland ones. I think if we think about some of those other ones, I think it is about trying to think about, you know, Can you potentially keep that soil covered?
So are there opportunities within that arable system of under sewing or putting a cover crop in afterwards? Just to keep that, keep that photosynthesis going. Also, thinking about cultivation, we tend to get quite fixated about, we are in a plow, which is bad, but we direct drill, which is good. Whereas in reality, it's actually thinking about.
Getting into having a look at your soil actually. Is there an issue that you need to sort there with that plowing? Can you think about the depth at which you are plowing? Can you think about the frequency with which you're plowing? So rather than that complete transition from one to the other, if you are gonna plow, what can you do alongside that plowing event to, to reduce the need for you to come back and do that again?
Then thinking about, as I say, thinking about using your stock to do the work for you, as Mike's already spoken about. So actually where you might not be able to go fully out wintering, can you actually just extend your grazing period for an extra week at the start or a week at the end through thinking about your resilience and then thinking about those really easy, simple things which are often forgotten about, which are about things like, Energy efficiency, which are about things like fuel efficiency.
So again, all of those other things which will reduce cost and also then help in terms of that resilience. And then finally, for anybody with livestock, there is always something you could do around manea management. And again, what you can do there means that you can reduce the amount of fertilizer that's coming onto a farm, which is a massive cost saving, but also that manure is magic in terms of not just providing nutrients, providing organic matter.
A single cow pack. This was a really fun fact. I learned recently a single cow pack can support 6,000 insects. Not just the dung beetles, but all those other things. So it is really magic stuff that is our asset that we need to use much, much more efficiently to actually get all these benefits. Wow. That's mad.
I know.
Peter Green
Exciting. Eh? And that's just an average cow. What
about a bit of cow? An average cow that's not even one of Mike's cows that are being fed. All these her lay wow
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Peter Green
Becky very quickly. The Farm Carbon Toolkit supporting farmers in different ways, isn't it? We, we've heard a little bit about the Farm Net zero project, but also there's the Farm Carbon calculator, and I've used this myself and I found it really interesting that the areas of my business that maybe were emitting most were actually the areas where I probably had most to go at in terms of saving cost.
And emissions and, and therefore it's probably going to improve my farm's resilience. What other support is there out there? And, you know, maybe give a little bit of insight into to the calculator quickly, please.
Becky Willson
Absolutely. So I think it comes down to the fact that, you know, you can't manage what you don't measure.
And so measuring is the first step. And so yeah, we have a farm carbon calculator. It's freely available for all farmers to use. You can go onto the website and you can access it. We are also there to provide support and help, and specifically for farmers in Cornwall as part of the Farm Net Zero project.
If you are interested, if you'd like to have a go. We can help you and guide you through that process. So please do get in touch. But what it does is it allows you to put that stake in the ground and say, right, this is where we are now. But more importantly also then say, what can we do about it? Because with a carbon footprint, the number that you get should be the starting point, not the end point.
You shouldn't get to a point where you get to a number and you go, huh, I can ignore that for another three years. Now it's the starting point to then say, so what? What does this mean? Where can I make a difference? And there is a huge amount of support, help resources available on our website or also just by getting in touch with us because we are very happy to help.
That's what we're here for, to empower our farmers. It also then allows you to, in terms of other resources, you know, we've got loads of information about if you're interested in taking soil samples, what does that look like? What are the different options? But also what does that mean in terms of soil health?
So absolutely, carbon testing is very important, but also, Actually, how is your soil performing from a soil health perspective? So is it compacted? Do you have the right number of worms? And we can walk you through all of that in terms of actually how do you do that? Your spade is your best friend in terms of understanding and getting to know your soils more intimately.
So we have a huge amount of resources available through the Farm Net Zero Project, but also more widely. But just get in touch. As I say, we're here to help.
Peter Green
Brilliant. And I can only, um, endorse what Becky's just said there. The team are so friendly and helpful and approachable. Whenever I've been on one of the farm walks, the guys are so open and ready to listen and to, to explain things.
So, um, please do, do, get along. I. So that's almost all we have time for today. But um, before we finish the episode, it's time for our showstoppers. These are, um, three of the key points that, uh, our listeners might like to take away from from today's episode. And it's always really tricky for me to try and distill everything we've heard down to just three things.
Becky, Mike, I'll run these past you, but do feel free to add anything that you think I've missed. So I guess number one, why is it important to be thinking about climate and carbon? Well, it, it, it, it does come back to resilience. Obviously that's the theme of this series, but it's, it's, it's the resilience of your business.
It's the resilience of your finances, it's the resilience of your. Time and the balance that you've got and that, that was really evident in one of your first answers, Becky. It feels quite important that we need to be asking questions, you know, how, how can I change things? Why do we do things the way we do?
You know, is it just because we've always done them? Um, and we need to really make sure that our business is well balanced for the future? So that, that was number one, really. Number two, just, just make a change. Dip your toe. You know, just, just try a part of your farm. Try one different crop on a reseed. Um, try a slightly different grazing plan.
Maybe try under sowing if you are, you know, in an arable system. Um, think about your manure management, perhaps. Just, just, just try one of those things and you know, you'll, you'll see a difference hopefully, and that will be making a change. And then I guess finally, It feels to me that, that these changes can be quite small.
They can feel quite nuanced, but actually, um, if you string them all together, so we talked there about dipping your toe and trying one thing Mike's talked to us about having tried a number of things and stacking them. And if you stack them, you get those marginal gains. And actually you look back and Mike has been doing this for sort of three years by the sounds of it.
And he's gone from three and a half arctic loads of fertilizer to none, you know, and that. That's a really noticeable change physically, but also I'm sure Mike, financially. Yeah. Don't be afraid to sort of stack up these gains and, and over time you will get to, to, to where we need to be in terms of making your business more resilient, not only in terms of its carbon footprint, but also, uh, financially and hopefully getting you a better balance.
That's all we have time for for today's episode, but, uh, a massive thank you to my guests, Mike Roberts and Becky Wilson. Next time we'll be looking at resilience from a security perspective and talking about rural crime across the southwest. So do join us in a fortnight for that episode. We've covered some fascinating topics today, but there is no question that can be more important than the one I'm about to put to you.
When preparing a S scone for your cream tea, which do you spread first? Is it jam or is it cream? Becky, I'm gonna go to you first.
Becky Willson
That might go jam then cream, jam, then cream.
Peter Green
Good. Okay. Mike, over to you.
Mike Roberts
Uh, a a tricky one, really. Um, I'm, I'm quite particular about my cream. Yes. And, um, and I, I like it runny.
Ah, um, yeah. Not, not double, double run, not double cream runny, but I like, I like clotted cream and a bit bit more run
here, so, so at room temperature we're talking
Well, yeah, I, I'm not so keen on the thick
stuff, but No, not
straight out the fridge. For, for cream on, for cream on top. You need thick stuff, don't you?
So I'm, I'm probably gonna go with cream on the bottom, jam on top 'cause I, I, I like me thunder and lightning and honey and cream and that sort of business as well. Sorry,
Peter Green
I have learnt some things in the course of recording this series so far, Mike, but that's probably one of the most surprising. No, no less valid an answer though.
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